Yeah I think that's why I took it so well, it could have been a lot worse, especially for my mate. As for the insurance question Chubbs, no once you take off the excess my mate said he'll sort it as he has had an accident just under 5 years ago (stone knocked him out while he was on his trike - just realised that was on a dual carriageway too, I think I'm gonna have to ban him from driving on them if he ever uses the car again!), so having another one on his record would have ended up costing him more in the long run.